Wed spent the majority of the afternoon chasing the herds of red stag around the Blair Atholl Estate, for which Hepburn was a game stalker, and wed set up a perfect ambush. rest like a Lead Sled to eliminate as much shooter error as possible and the Speer has the 285 grain .375 Grand Slams for $14.99 per box of 50 with free shipping on $99 purchase. 1. I went back to my Nosler Partitions, but I think the grand slams are decent bullets. rose the respected Speer Bullets, one of the major U.S. bullet manufacturers. Many shooters use the Grand Slam for long-range shooting and for hunting. Frangible bullets also provide the quickest All-around Bullets for Class 2 and Class 3 game. Having written several articles about hunting bullets in the The same bullets recommended for varmints are also recommended 837. A neighbour of mine shoots 120 grand slams out of his 25-06. I'm just a casual observer, the effete snob upon the hill with the fine wine and the opera glasses, gazing down upon your little battlefield, looking alternately aghast and bemused. because I think the Nosler Partition has more than proven itself in the hunting world. I do know I got my Arkansas elk permit in 2001. 280 Ackley Improved 140gr AccuBond Trophy Grade Ammunition View Details. A proper big-deer handload consists of 120 Partitions at 3,078 fps with 54 grains of H4831. I switched to Grand Slams which had a flatter tip and never looked back. Weight choice. This is kind of disappointing as I just worked up loads in my .257 Roberts Ackley Improved using it last fall. It's hard to be sure exactly, with bullet tips flattening, but each brand appeared to stay close to others in the same box. You could quickly become a fan. The Grand Slams worked well for me from the early '80s when I started using them until Speer changed the design, at which point I switched to North Fork bullets. 125 Grain. A 130 grain bullet out of a 270 Win is certainly mule deer capable and will suffice for elk provided you dont try and break through the shoulder. Nosler was carrying a .300 Holland & Holland Magnuma classic cartridge with a hefty muzzle velocity, especially for 1946when he experienced bullet failure on a moose hunt in British Columbia. The traditional cup-and-core bullets, if they are of proper sectional density, can work very well on African plains game. Nosler decided to build a bullet that couldnt failand he did so. It uses a flat base and what Speer used to call a "mag-tip," I've read on multiple sites the 200gr Nosler Partition is the best for . of the same caliber and weight to facilitate expansion. Grand Slam out of a 270 from about 50 yds. Case length for the .280 is 2.540 inches (same as the .270) and a bit longer than the .30-06 (2.494 inches). an interesting assessment! Its suitable for nearly all game animals that are hunted with soft-point (expanding) bullets, including feral hogs, pronghorn, elk, moose, bear and even Cape buffalo. Ballistic Tip; Nosler . Funny thing is, I still used 160 Partitions on that hunt. Those things PENETRATE. and other large game weighing in excess of 300 pounds live weight. You are far better of with conventional soft points - Sierra SP Flat Base (Pro Hunter) 165 gr. I loaded up some 130 gr GS with Norma 204 and Win magnum primers and tried them in my Parker-Hale 270 this morning. The following bullets are well regarded for this demanding hunting in suitable calibers. Might I be confusing the AGS and the GS ? where varmints are often hunted. The grand slam bullet is expensive for the technology. ------------------To be old and wise..first you have to be young and stupid! I am a bit disappointed that the lead in the front half does not stay with the bullet. The bonding of jacket to core virtually eliminates the possibility of Back then I was buying powder by the pound can, primers by the 100 box and bullets a box at a time. I could probably spend the rest of my days using a Nosler Partition as my go-to bullet (except where a solid is called for) without much concern. [This message has been edited by bulldog (edited 10-07-2001). The grandslam is a rather blunt tipped cup and core bullet with a thicker jacket. I recently started working up loads using Accubonds and was very pleasantly surprised with their accuracy. The 168-grain, .308-inch-diameter, boat-tail, hollow-point MatchKing, especially when loaded in the .308 Winchester, remains a major player. Never recovered a bullet, all full penetration with decent sized exit, from 50 yds to 400. Interlock, or cup and core = deer of about all sizes, partition = bear or something thick enough to require more penetration than expansion. I've never been able to tell the difference in killing potential from. weight retention and deeper penetration. including spitzer, semi-spitzer, flat point and round nose. The grandslam is a rather blunt tipped cup and core bullet with a thicker jacket. Winchester Power Point, Hornady InterLock and similar bullets in terms of both my "old" GS had a solid yellow box and my 2002 catalog still had the "old" models. I've shot a least 20 animals with it in Africa, and never a problem. 100g HORNADY INTERLOCK V 100g SPEER GRAND SLAM (243) Thread starter mick b; Start date Jul 24, 2010; mick b Well-Known Member. Accurate and DEADLY in my experience. Barnes, Berger, Combined Technology, Hornady, Nosler, Sierra, Speer, Swift, and Winchester. The Speer Boat Tail bullet is Speer's long range offering. Then, took a turkey and a ram off the rail on the next two shots. Grand Slam is built with a heavy, tapered jacket up to For example, the 150 grain Hot-Cor is a good choice for deer hunting with a .308 Winchester rifle and it is hard to see how the same caliber and weight bullet from the Deep Curl or Grand Slam lines would make any difference in killing power. This partition helps to keep the lead core from expanding on impact, which results in better penetration and accuracy. Yeah, I read Speer's justification for the change. line is the Deep Curl bonded bullet. Might I be confusing the AGS and the GS ? on the far side has delivered what I consider ideal performance for achieving I use the Barns 165 BT X-Bullet at 2650fps and it kills em dead every time. Unless angles were straight on or straight away bullets very seldom found. calibers and weights, for mixed bag CXP2/CXP3 hunts and when hunting large for Editor's Note: This article originally appeared in the July 2020 issue of Gun Digest the Magazine. I started off many many years ago with the Nosler partition, had great kills, extremely reliable, but not the most accurate from my rifle. They are a true Premium Bullet.. This category includes such creatures as North American bison, water buffalo, Cape buffalo, hippo, rhino and elephant. His concept of using a partition of jacket material between two lead cores (the front core would mushroom, and the rear core would drive deeply into the vitals) remains a staple to this day. The Interesting reading. If you over-stress it by blowing the nose off the jacket, it appears to peel back like a thin jacketed Hot-Cor, rather than supporting the mushroom. factory loaded ammunition, as well as to reloaders by their manufacturer. I cannot find a definitive answer to whether or not Speer makes a bonded bullet. Haven't they also D/C'd the larger calibers ? My dad still has a 1970s-vintage box of .30-caliber, 180-grain MatchKings, with maybe 40 left, that hed reach for when a hunting rifle showed accuracy problems. jacket/core separation after impact, ensuring high weight retention. They went away from the 2 different core hardness and now they are just one core of hard lead. I have an image of some poor schmuck at corporate HQ (somebody I might have resembled in an earlier life) being handed the news one morning that the beancounters had coerced the lab boys into coming up with a new, improved -- spelled cheaper but might work OK -- Speer Grand Slam design. calibers and bullet weights, it is suitable for all CXP2 and CXP3 game. is priced about like conventional soft point bullets, including Hot-Cor, yet game and yet typically retain a substantial percentage of core for deep I bought 6 of the transparent yellow boxes (grand slams) to work a load for that hunt. Nosler & Speer .308 Bullets & 30-06 Brass, Mission Briefs: Global Rescue In Action April 2023. These bullets are too long to shoot well in my Schultz&Larsen 7mm S&H 1-12" twist barrel. bullets are already offered in .35 Whelen and .45-70 factory loads.) of game, such as pronghorn antelope or Coues deer, at any range. You are far better of with that because you can put additional 20-30 shots into paper targets. At the time, civilian hunters/reloaders were unable to buy Save my name and email to use for future comments. The result is less expansion, higher retained weight and deeper The Grand Slam was once a very complicated bullet with dual cores, but it now uses a single core of lead alloy inserted using Speer's Hot-Cor injection technology. The Speer web site shows that the current crop of Grand Slams are designed with a very thin jacket up front that thickens progresively the further down the bullet and becomes several times thicker than average solid copper base underneath the lead/antimony/whatever the third metal is expansion chamber and a much sharper ogive angle but still . than the other Speer bullets. reasonable choice for Class 2 deer in .257 Roberts, for Class 3 elk in 7mm Magnum and The Speer Grand Slam is one that interests me. The fact that Speer Bullets are so effective at defeating armor and stopping targets from falling makes them extremely effective. If you were hunting elk with your .257 Weatherby, for example, For deer ive had stellar results with the sierra gameking and nosler ballistic tip. The grand slam bullet is expensive for the technology. For elk, the 180 grain .30 caliber Core-Lokt would be a much more appropriate When I first started reloading for my 280 I used a 140 gr Sierra Prohunter with IMR-4831 and took a few hogs and a couple deer where I hunted at near Brunswick GA and they worked great. This is a old thread, but nothing has really changed. Mag and 150s in 30-06 and 308. For elk- accubond, or partition for similar price range. Trust me, the animal won't be able to tell the difference. never seen much point in competing with your own product line and ATK has It has the perfect combination of penetration, yet opens easily and creates large wound channels. On the hog, the bullet was found in the far hide. out back in 1979. Joyce W. Hornady introduced his first bullet in 1949 (after making bullet jackets with Vernon Speer), and that 150-grain, .308-inch-caliber spire-point developed his reputation. Crappie Killer: If the partitions are not shooting for your, check the "runout" of your handloads.I'll bet that is the issue. I'm good on the 120gr .257 Hot-Cor because when i found out they were going to drop it i bought enough to last me a lifetime because it's no doubt my favorite deer bullet from the 25.06. driven directly into the heart/lung area of game like red stag and elk, but may I have some of the old 285 gr 375s. Save Share. Sierra MatchKing starting at $16 Sportsman's Warehouse. You must log in or register to reply here. process eliminates the problems associated with air pockets in the lead core Odd thing is, I placed the core back in the jacket and pressed it together, it stayed! expand rapidly and destroy a lot of heart/lung tissue usually deliver the "Montana seems to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans" John Steinbeck. There are exceptions, of course, such as the bullets designed specifically for very large game. the vitals, of course, but from there on a wide wound cavity is the ticket. Then go with the acceptable charge and try shrinking the OAL a little(.05"-.015") to see if it improves accuracy. (Speer pioneered plating However, many shooters find that the Speer Grand Slam is an accurate and reliable bullet, making it a popular choice for both hunting and target shooting. accuracy. The Nosler Partition, Hornady InterLock and Remington Core-Lokt are I like the Speer 145 gr size for all of the 7's for deer. Long before we had the modern match bullets that resemble a Titan missile more than a traditional bullet, the Sierra MatchKing was setting records. the quickest kills of medium size animals. However, they do make a variety of other types of bullets, so it is possible that they offer a bonded option as well. The GS of today is not the same as it was when it was introduced. The GS in .358 for my .35 Whelen. As such, it is more expensive The few recovered bullets retained thier weight and expanded well. JavaScript is disabled. I could not get good accuracy with Speer Grand Slams. Why? rats, groundhogs, rock chucks, ground squirrels, jack rabbits and other rodents The grand slam managed to penetrate through both shoulders of a Zebra standing broadside amd keep on going. 74% weight retention. Strange, I saw a similar message about the 220 HotCor for .358. GS as an omni-load for North American game. 300 Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) Load Data. of such bullets. OK, enough of that rant. Get 3100fps and your damn near unbeatable are reasonable ranges. The happiest days of my life were spent with Noslers (mostly Partitions) in my hunting rifle! Penetration must be sufficient for the bullet to get into "Actually" the Mag Tip is a better bullet than the Grand Slam. This uses a pre-formed lead core and a Partition is the original American premium bullet and it remains a favorite of Hornaday InterLock starting at $30 Optics Planet. I have used partitions for years, love the way they hang together for extra penetration. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Lewiston, Idaho. was the GS made differently in the smaller calibers? According to his friend Jack O'Connor, Vernon Speer, the founder of Speer price and performance. While it might not have eye-popping B.C. I've never tried the Grand Slam but have always read and heard positive reviews on that bullet. I was reading recently that a lot of factory capacity has gone away from the slightly less common calibres and been given over to common stuff. I switched to the Speer Grand slam, had many kills, worked well, however a little too robust for a deer. I for the life of me can't figure out why anyone ever picked grand slams today over any of the other premium bullets. Grand Slam was designed to compete with the other deep penetration premium bullets of the time, such as the Nosler Partition. I much prefered the Grand Slams to Partitions, until the bean counters at Speer wrecked them -- Speer is basically calling a totally different bullet the "Grand Slam" and defrauding the shooting public. I came to the conclusion that the reason they used a conventional bullet was simply because it worked perfectly for the job at hand. Bullets for Thick-skinned, Dangerous Game (Class 4). One of Vernon Speer's last accomplishments was the Hot-Cor One of the best reloading investments I've ever made was a Stoney point OAL tool and comparator kit. Back to partitions for me. for a wide variety of game animals. They are made with a thicker jacket and a heavier core than traditional bullets, and they have a sharp nose that helps them penetrate deep into targets. A bonus of these three .25/06 loads is they hit within a deer's hair of each other at 100 yards and within 3 inches at 300 yards. I plan on using the AB for most of my hunting this fall. If it wont shoot these, it wont shoot, he insists, and I dont know that hes wrong. (2002-2003 I'd guess). Its not getting a lot of attention these days, but theres no denying the great performance of the Speer Grand Slam. Speer Grand Slam bullets are designed to offer maximum penetration and expansion. what was the cut-off date of mfg? tapered jacket that increases in thickness toward the flat base. Varmints are small pests and include such species as gophers, The 13-degree boat tail gives Dcouvrez nos Balles autres calibres TXRG au meilleur prix : super promotions, petites annonces et ventes aux enchres, paiement en 3 ou 4 fois sans frais. What are your experiences, good or bad, with the Nosler Partition or the Speer Grand Slam bullets on big game? They are best hunted with frangible bullets The Hot-Cor is basically a soft point bullet with an exposed Where a Grand Slam might make a difference would be if you are using a caliber and bullet weight that is marginal for the game being hunted. Including breaking shoulders on a 220 lb 8 pt. It is now possible to select the right bullet for your rifle based on a variety of factors. I hunt Elk with the .308, and out here we do get some long shots. The bullet had penetrated from chest all the way through smashing the right hip ball socket before coming to rest just under the hide. In terms of terminal performance, Deep Curl offers more 190 Grain. All I use are the NP's out of my 30-06, 7-08 and 25-06. Both are excellent choices. The Deep Curl The NP is my go to hunting bullet aswell. Sierra continues to expand the MatchKing line, with some excellent offerings in 6mm, 6.5mm and 7mm in the traditional hollow-point configurationnot to mention the recent Tipped MatchKing line, which utilizes a green polymer tip to maintain consistent B.C. Impact velocity is typically lower at long Particulary if you expect 100- 200 yards distances. I think the NP is the best hunting bullet ever designed. Pouring molten lead into the pre-formed jacket provided an air- and oxidation-free bond between the jacket and core. Get 12 Issues a year of the country's best firearms writing. expansion. at the same impact velocity, the Boat Tail will provide more expansion, which Do you have experience with it on game? The 145 gr Speer Grand Slam by comparison produced its maximum cavitation at a shallower depth and caused a narrower hole at its terminus. The round is ideal for hunting or self-defense situations where maximum expansion is desired. I've been reading at the twenty-four hour campfire a lot of guys using them with high degree of success. iffy on raking shots at Class 3 animals. The A frame is a partition bullet. I still have a few of the OLD STYLE .257 120 GS in case I need to shoot an elephant with my 25-06. Bonded core bullets are all the rage, so new to the Speer A 100 grain .243 Core-Lokt would be an So many better bullets out there now though and now I dont really factor cost of a box of bullets into my decision. And why use a premium bullet if you don't expect some possible stress? I know that in theory, they are both designed to have a similar terminal effect (similar weight . is zeroed, other bullets, even of the same weight, are unlikely to shoot to the The bullets had the two density lead cores and an inner belt designed to hold the core in the jacket. plated jacket, resulting in what Speer describes as an electro-chemical bond. For elk- accubond, or partition for similar price range. I'm a semi-professional tennis player for 15 years, and I can clearly claim that tennis court is my 2nd home. are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? looking at the expansion pics in the 02 catalog (obviously two very different bullets the NAGS & AGS) I'm wondering if I did not think of the AGS when I thought of GS and rated the new ones erroniously. retention in ballistic gelatin testing is claimed to be 70-75%. Here's the advertising blurb from their web page: sounds like they dropped the 416 & 458. correct me on this: weren't there two GS (the "African" which included solids and the "regular" in smaller calibers)? The Speer website lists them as "Currently Unavailable", but that describes almost everything these days. The company is now owned by industry giant ATK, but still operates out of I just don't see a good reason to go with Grand Slams for any sort of hunting use these days. I don't know about the 145 gr. Contrary to internet knowledge hundreds of thousands of elk and mule deer have fallen to 270s shooting Core Lokts and Power Points and other cup and core bullets over the years, and each year more are added to the list. In this case, I am simply going to list proven bullets that are available I started reloading over 45 years ago with Speer bullets, before the introduction of Hot-Cor, Boat Tail, Grand Slam and Deep Curl, and I still use them. Yes, there are other match bullets certainly worthy of attentionthe Hornady A-TIP, ELD Match and the Berger lineup come quickly to mindbut I feel pretty confident that the Sierra MatchKing will be around for at least as long as I will. Speer Deep Curl is formed with a slightly cupped flat base, said to aid just sticking to nosler partitions for smaller game and barnesx for bigger at those speeds. to Accubonds(went to 160's), similarly in my 25.06(went to 110's), because of the lead nose. The result is better The Sierra BlitzKing and Hornady V-Max are popular examples Crappie Killer: If the partitions are not shooting for your, check the "runout" of your handloads.I'll bet that is the issue. Standing over a double-crowned, 11-point stag in such an idyllic settingand with such a prestigious riflewas assuredly a highlight of my career. You are using an out of date browser. You don't need my opinion to know they are good bullets. Well keep us updated with what Speer says, didn't they discontinue the 120gr hotcor recently too. I like to buy Speer's, and every year it seems they have the promo that they will send you card for 20% when you purchase over $100, they are already the least expensive bullets to buy and that deal make them very hard to pass up. I switched to Partitions about 40 years back, and never regreted it. Performance on game has always been good, but there are so many other good choices these days, that I haven't used a Partition in several years. When I ordered them last year they actually came in the Midway blue boxes they use for their seconds, but did say Speer grand slam. The Sierra GameKing and ProHunter boattail and flat base, respectivelyhave a good, thick jacket, and give good expansion and penetration. That bulletthe #1400 .224-inch-diameter, 53-grain, flat-base, match hollow-pointjust happens to be the bullet my own .22-250 Remington likes best. Does Proto make bonded bullets? I am trying to compare the two in terms of other hunter's experiences regarding accuracy and terminal performance on deer, moose and elk. It looks like I'm fresh out fo the AGS and the regular GS I have (285gr) are in the solid yellow box so must be pretty old. I received an email from Midway saying that the Speer .257 120gr Grand Slam was discontinued. I bought a couple boxes of .358 250 gr SP bullets direct from Speer last fall and had them in a week. Class 4 species can be quite dangerous and are the only category of game for which "solid" (non-expanding) round nose bullets are sometimes recommended, particularly for brain shots on hippo and elephant or to immobilize dangerous Class 4 animals by breaking both shoulders. are they currently being marketed as a premium bullet? I've not shot them much as that one box is pretty much it. The days of using cheap and substandard ammunition have long passed as a result of the introduction of precision-crafted rifle bullets. Just after World War II . 165 - 168 Grain. Both deer had complete penetration with massive destruction. on Class 2 animals and "soft" bullets intended for medium size game are I much prefered the Grand Slams to Partitions, until the bean counters at Speer wrecked them -- Speer is basically calling a totally different bullet the "Grand Slam" and defrauding the shooting public. Harry mac Well-Known Member. Tough expanding bullets, such as the Woodleigh Weldcore, are usually recommended for heart/lung shots. (ATK owns both Speer and Federal.) used on Class 2 game. I'm sure the GS are amazing, but until a partition let's me down I'll stick with what groups sub moa and kills fast. Bought some factory hsm loaded with 120 grand slams for the 257 weatherby. There is no definitive answer to this question as it depends on individual preferences and opinions. I have used the Speer Grand Slam for hunting, but only used . I still load them for at least 3-7mm Rem Mags. With the old stag, which had been rolling in the peat while tending his hinds, facing head on at 245 yards, I leaned the forend of the graceful Rigby Highland Stalker on Hepburns pack, let my breath halfway out, gave the stag 6 inches of elevation and squeezed the trigger. filling a drawn gilding metal jacket cup with molten lead, rather than the Speer Grand Slam starting at $20 Optics Planet. Caliber At $.30 per bullet they are priced about the same as the Speer 235 gr, so not much risk. to gilding metal jackets or partitioned cores, are quite popular. that's really my big gripe. 156. The weather is not good on small deer, but it is good on hogs, mulies, and Minnesota white-tail deer. Dont waste your money! One bullet that was great but is not offered anymore is the 140 gr Speer Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. The Swift A-Frame, Nosler I would be very interested in your experiences. Sierra GameKing and ProHunter. apparently figured this out, returning the Trophy Bonded Bear Claw to the It wasn't long after that I heard they were changing them. When a mushroom reaches the cannelure, the new GS bullet must rely on a longer, wider shank and lower forces. GS bullets are capable of shooting at temperatures ranging from 275 to 300 F, and have a velocity range of 2200 fps. from about 50-300 pounds live weight. I shot a good size buck at 30 yards facing me in the chest. Have always worked great. 220 Grain. Ill be loading A Frames in my 8mm magnum. This type of bullet is designed to expand upon impact and cause maximum damage, and has been linked to a number of high-profile hunting accidents. For deer ive had stellar results with the sierra gameking and nosler ballistic tip. There are some classic designsthose our grandfathers usedthat are still viable choices and that remain highly useful and affordable options for the hunter and shooter. Speer offers four lines of big game hunting bullets in a variety of styles and weights for almost all calibers, and they are priced right. here I found my 2002 speer catalog: it says "the AGS starts with a solid bar of guilding metal to for a massive jacket that is twice as thick as our North American Grand Slams" "A stop shoulder is machined" " multilock serrations". Hot-Cor bullets I don't know how the "old" GS performed but the "new" ones were accurate in my .35 Whelen. TENNIS FOR STARTERS: ONE GRAND SLAM AND TWO MASTERS TO WATCH OUT FOR IN 2023. For a while the Grand Slam was challenged within the Speer Funny, a change was what -well not altogether- caused me to stop using Barnes. appropriate choice for hunting whitetail deer, but not for hunting Roosevelt fwiw.I used the current 375 GS on a recent plains game hunt in RSA. 4. should add though that I like the Speer 350 gr 416 bullets. Being a bullet guy, I wondered to myself why they hadnt opted to use a premium bullet for such a unique opportunity. Bruce, I've been waiting nearly twenty years for this thread. Funny thing is, I still used 160 Partitions on that hunt. Premium bullets are the major brand controlled expansion designs without bonded cores, such as the Barnes X, Speer Grand Slam, Nosler Partition and Winchester Fail-Safe; . Class 4 animals are heavy, thick-skinned game and the 9.3mm or .375 calibers are considered the practical minimum, while the over .40 caliber big bores really come into their own. I no longer consider them a "premium" bullet. A 225 grain .338 bullet is probably going to be optimized for use on CXP3 game, such as elk and grizzly bear. Partition, Hornady SP-RP InterLock and Remington Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded are all considered good choices. I have some speer 7mm 175 gn grand slam bullets. You must log in or register to reply here. I bought 6 of the transparent yellow boxes (grand slams) to work a load for that hunt. Partrition 200gr in 300 win mag 2950 ft/s. To better avoid jacket/core separation, the Boat Tail's Bill Steigers (BBC) tested a bunch of 375 bullets, including the 285 gr Speer GS in the mid 1980s. .277 150gr grand slams hammered an elk for my wife last year and shoot very very well. Jul 24, 2010 #1 Views please . The Winchester Power Point, Sierra Partitions all the way. The Grand Slams I have were made in the early 80's so I'm assuming they are the old style, they shoot around 1" in about all calibers for me with several powders. 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