Remington claims that the ballistics of the 7mm SAUM equal those of the popular 7mm Rem. You should make the length fit the rifle, make it balance out well in your stock and fit your shooting style. In most AI chambers 280 Rem. HANDGUN BALLISTICS. 7mm PRC for Hunting. Posts: 19 7 saum loads? Its so like the 280 Rem. The 7mm Rem. Performance The 7mm SAUM does not achieve 7mm Remington Magnum velocities or performance. Why wouldnt an origin work with a wyatts box bdl? Action is a medium lone peak fuzion ti. 338weatherby New Member. I would encourage any long-range enthusiast to take a hard look at the details of the 7mm. Adg brass 60.7 grains of H4831sc, fed 210m's. It shoots .3 moa at 600 yards. The M7 300 wears original plastic, bedded the lug and first inch or two of barrel just because. The 7x57 Mauser, 284 Winchester, 7x64 Brenneke, and 280 Remington are fine contenders, but none have the factory ammo support. Mag. Mag. I used a Proof Research all-steel 26-inch heavy Palma contour barrel spun at 1:8-inch twist attached to the action with a Savage barrel nut. Shawn at Defensive edge did a short barreled chassis rifle. 3.070 coal. Besides a few F-Class competitors, it almost seems like the 7mm has been forgotten in the world of long-range shooting. My 7mm SAUM is chamber in a 700 Remington rifle with a 24 inch barrel. Forster 7mm Remington SAUM Full Length Sizing Die and Bench Rest Seater Die Set Permanent Link to Product Page. 90 couple degrees and 12mph winds. Edit Product. Searching for the best long-range competition cartridge? The 7 SAUM can drive a 140-grain bullet at a . I wanted a short action to save on weight for hunting, so that immediately drove me to the. Todays match for the Mauser is the 7mm-08 Remington, a necked down 308 Winchester that handles considerably more chamber pressures than the Mauser (no ancient rifles to worry about exploding.) These will vary rifle to rifle depending on ammo maker, chamber and bore dimensions, barrel length, temperature, altitude, etc. Look no further. $109.38. UPC : 020892015531. GMX & 140 TTSX as well. But its easier to buy fully formed 280 AI cases or ammo, both becoming more common. UPC : 076683000217. The ARC Mausingfield is a work of art, blending the best features of three actions into one. Standard 280 Rem. I was already on the fence with a new middle-ground caliber, and shortly thereafter I ordered a barrel and hit the books for some research. Serious hand loaders and shooters seek to match the perfect cartridge to their firearm. Few hunters were willing to spend the dollars needed for a Weatherby rifle, but the new, inexpensive M700 Remington introduced with the 7mm belted cartridge proved a match made in heaven. IMR 4831 has been the most accurate to date in the 120 trial. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. This adds about 100 fps to the 7mm Rem Mag. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated "standard" velocity cartridges. You must log in or register to reply here. Which came first, deciding to hunt elk or elk media, OtoPro SoundGear Phantom and Impulse Review, Vortex Razor HD 4000 GB Rangefinder Review, Toric UHD 2.5-15x44mm FFP Hunt Series Riflescope Review, Hunting Big Mule Deer after Mid-October with Cliff Gray. notice that the 7mm PRCas a modern update to the 7mm Rem. Buddy just got a 7SAUM made with a 24" barrel and seems to get 2980 with a 180 grain Berger and RL 26. The 7 SAUM offers a high ballistic coefficient and excellent accuracy, making it a popular choice for hunters and competitive shooters alike. bullets arent mandatory or even desirable for a lot of 7mm shooting and hunting. It was designed specifically for the Remington Model Seven Magnum rifle, and intended primarily for long-range hunting use. I'm looking at one real hard with a 22" barrel but also found one with a 24" barrel. 180 eld-m and 168 VLDs are pretty different as far as bearing surface goes. With everything right, you may be able to squeeze the velocity you want out of a short action but I would try and lean you towards a medium or long. I have been able to exceed 3130 ft/sec with a 140 grains Nosler Accubond and a 140 Barnes TSX bullet. The variety in 7mm cartridge sizes is impressive. Shot 20 through the chrono right after 20 7-08 140s doing the same 2540 they always do out of my sons rifle. Youll find the most variety of factory loads in the Rem. It printed groups of .2 to .3 MOA and a conser- vative 2,920 fps with standard deviation (SD) at 6 fps. Mag. The team here at Lapua understands this, and has made our "Passion for Precision" the blueprint for our success. Depends what you want? May be worth giving him a call. It is designed to fit into a short action rifle and has a shorter case length than the 7mm Rem Mag. 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Regardless bullet type or make, all those used in all 7mms are .284. Elk, moose, kudu and similar large deer and antelope species are best addressed with 160-through 180-grain .284s. So far, I'm very pleased with the 7 SAUM's performance. Mag. and Wby Mag., 7 SAUM or 7 WSM. All rights reserved. I prefer the SAUM simply for the case design. July 08, 2019 By Joseph von Benedikt. The 7mm PRC does offer higher velocity figuresrunning at a higher pressurethough many feel that the 7mm Remington Magnum has plenty of velocity. My understanding is that the SAUM, WSM line was to run short actions and shorter barrels. The best powders I have had luck with so far are from burn rate H 414 to Ramshot Hunter. The store will not work correctly in the case when cookies are disabled. Looking at the load data above it appears I need to try RL26 in mine. I think they would shoot well in Silly Putty. The 180-grain VLD at the above velocities shows a 48-inch drift at 1,000 yards in a 10-mph full value wind. I figured it would be safe with 150 Ballistic Tips, and it was, getting over 3100 with 150 Ballistic Tips in my rifle. a slight edge in MV, but the Rem. Of course you could run a 26" with it. SHOTGUN_AMMO. Just got mine back from WTO with a 28" Bartelin 7 twist chambered for 183 sierra matchkings. Both of those calibers have significantly higher recoil, and the gains are only .1 mil less for the same 10 mph full value wind. I say this to prove how familiar I am with this cartridge . I currently have 7 barrels chambered and ready to go for my 2 full custom 7mm saums. L. to R.: 7mm BR, 7-30 Waters, 7mm-08 Rem., 7x57 Mauser, 284 Win., 280 Rem., 7x64 Brenneke, 280 AI, 7mm SAUM, 7mm WSM, 7mm Wby. 2023 Outdoor Sportsman Group. Is anyone running the 151 Warner Flatlines with IMR7828ssc? SHOTGUN_AMMO. What are you thinking about doing different with it this year? The difference in velocity between the 7mm SAUM cartridge and the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum (WSM) is less than 50 feet per second; they are almost ballistic twins. What reamer are y'all using for the 168's? I'm going to have to re-work my load. Try RL26 My 180s are coming out at 3030 ..My 162's are coming out at 3170 but it is not a hot load but super accurate. I just had my gunsmith chamber it for the 180s when he chambered the barrel. You are using an out of date browser. Going with a new chambering? Conditions were as follows: 28 Bartlein barrel. Minnesota. sc - wood, factory plastic, aftermarket stocks? SAUM for bullets that light unless you are a speed freak, lol. $11.64. Guys with the 6.5 Saum are claiming 2500 rounds/barrel using H1000. Sounds like a nice rig. models. Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Im sure there could be a viariance but its close. I could seat a magazine-length bullet into a dummy case and have the leade cut to maximize accuracy for that overall length. The heaviest I went with my 7mm WSM was a 168gr berger classic hunter that basically needed to be loaded out to max SAAMI. Jeff Bradley shows off the Modern Hunting Rifle (MHR) from Christensen Arms at SHOT Show 2023. May be worth giving him a call. One would have more luck sourcing unicorn tears. I get pressure signs before I get any speed. In addition to these 7mms there are at least 18 more from Britain, Europe, and proprietary manufacturers such as Dakota, Lazzeroni, and JDJ plus many wildcats. But ammo is hard to find in much variety. If you go dbm you will probably have to mill a notch in the feed ramp anyways. Are you seeing this kind of longevity?. I have a 24" barrel on my 6.5WSM. Using a standard short action mag box limits you in both a SAUM and WSM. This was the impetus for our development of the 30-03 cartridge quickly re-modified to become the 30-06 which is basically a 7x57 Mauser lengthened and necked up for .308 bullets. A Remington 700 footprint is the foundation for this engi- neering marvel. Shot the group pretty fast because I was melting. A Mauser positive feed and extraction claw and a Springfield '03-style ejector make the Mausingfield as reliable as they come. RL-19, H4350, and IMR 4350 are all good choices. For the best experience on our site, be sure to turn on J Relative, approximate muzzle velocities of some 7mms pushing 150-grain bullets. I elected to use Alpha Industries' Type 4 magazine designed for the .300 WSM-sized case. Here's where I am so far. In shorter barrels, performance declines dramatically. It was designed to maximize muzzle velocity with extremely high B.C. For example: 800 yard target = 8 - 3 = 5 - .2 = 4.8 mils elevation hold. Heres wishing you success! was proprietary. I'm getting best accuracy with I-7977 at around 3075 out of a 23" barrel, but I think it may be a little too hot. JavaScript seems to be disabled in your browser. ELD-Match ammo I shot at FTW was rated 2,975 fps on the box. Good news, too - I just called Shedhorn and they said they have 100V. Significant loss of velocity occurred between 21 and 20, 75 ft/sec, and between 24 and 23, 60 ft/sec. Have a .284 in the works also. It is based on the .300 Remington SAUM case necked down to 7mm. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. bullets are your best odds for ringing steel at extreme range. Bob Meinert, FN Marketing Director, introduces FN's first commercial pistol suppressor, the FN Rush 9Ti. 7 mm (.284") bullets come in a wide variety of weights, shapes, and sizes. Feeding will be way more reliable. at the muzzle. Most loads in the SAUM will be compressed, but diligent load development will reveal the winners . LOL. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. But long range precision shooters are reviving the 284 Win., so stay tuned. Release Agent for Glass Bedding Cerakote??? Is there a calculation for case capacity and optimal barrel length? Norma brass is amongst the best avail- able and is incredibly consistent with zero cull rates. Includes box, follower, spring, and bolt stop. . 26" proof sendaro lite. FRS004418. As it stands right now with a 7mm WSM the 150gr ELDX are at about 2.95" to the lands. RIMFIRE_ROUNDS. Shoots lights out! These with high B.C. The WSM case will not get to the next node but it will run THE node at less pressure. The 7mm SAUM has a reputation for being easy to load using medium to slow burning powders. You are using an out of date browser. SKU : 21. IMR 4350 was the most accurate powder tested. Shoot lighter bullets and/or download if youre recoil sensitive. Winchesters idea was to produce 270 Win. 7 SAUM in a short action Bighorn TL-3, 30" barrel, 7 twist. Are you strictly a big horn man? Mag., 7mm Rem. If you're not going to be carrying it very far , use a 26" to get the most out of it. However, to achieve its small velocity advantage, the larger 7mm WSM had to burn 7-10% more powder than the 7mm SAUM. Brain shots primarily, but the occasional heart shot. 65.5 grains of H-1000 WLR primer. parent, capable of slightly better long-range ballistics with same weight bullets. My COAL is 2.940 and I have an R700 with a Wyatt's box. RL26 is the top velocity powder most 7saums I've worked with Retumbo H1000 Are2 more I've used . You must log in or register to reply here. Bell also dropped kudu, lion, even buffalo with his .275 Rigby. Any hunter struggling to choose between the 6.5mms and 30-calibers should find the best of both worlds in the 7mms. factory loads can usually be fired in 280 AI chambers to create the new brass case for handloading. I'm wanting to build a short barreled 7 SAUM for my next custom and working on sorting out the components. Meet the all-new Taurus Judge Executive Grade, a revolver featuring a hand-polished satin finish, presentation-grade wood grips, a brass rod front sight and an exceptional hand-tuned trigger. . Alas, its also largely ignored in factory ammo, but handloaders can make it shine. The group was shot with the load with he higher SD. A new and rather unknown magnum is Gunwerks 7mm LRM (Long Range Magnum.) of H-1000 gives almost 3100 f.p.s. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Shoots lights out! The world is awash in 7mm rifle cartridges for a darn good reason: they are perfect. Only three 7mms have become obsolete, additional proof .284 bullets are effective and popular around the world. One centerfire case rarely used for new cartridges was the full-length H&H magnum. I have mine(7saum) for sale over at the classifieds. Bullet mass/type. I'm wanting to shoot 168 bergers or 180 eld-m. I run 180 vld in the SA magazine at 3050. I'm shooting 180 berger hybrids at 2930fps. I'm impressed. I don't want to go lower than a 160 grain if at all possible. Sierra writes 7.5 on the box, but Im getting a 7.7 bc that is whats available. Great feedback everyone. (7mm WSM, 7mm SAUM, 7mm RM, 7mm LRM, 7mm STW, 7mm Wby. The 7-30 Waters, a necked down and blown out (wall taper taken out) 30-30 case, was conceived by Ken Waters to improve the ballistics of typical tube magazine lever actions commonly chambered in 30-30. I would hate to see people try to duplicate that speed as it would be down right dangerous. A few of my loads for my Rem AWR 22" bbl: What would be a safe operatiing range for RL26 in a 7 SAUM w/ 160 grains Accubonds? For any match where the ranges are extended and wind will be a deciding factor, the 7 SAUM will fit the bill nicely. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Was wanting 20" but could not find one. at the muzzle. The cartridge uses a .284-inch diameter bullet and has a case length of 2.035 inches. Anyone willing to share overall lengths on 7 SAUM handloads along with what bullets your using? Obviously, there are plenty that goes into that equation: ballistic efficiency, projectile availability, barrel life and reasonable recoil. Yeah, I was looking more in the intermediate weight range for the 7mm. Top 6 Long-Range Competition Cartridges. less powder. The load manuals also showed that the SAUM would out-perform . Box Count: 20 Rounds. 7 WSM. I am not a big fan of the RL powders but not sure what else to try. The maximum load for that bullet is 61.5 grains of H4350 powder, which yields a MV of 3133 fps at a chamber pressure of 61,900 psi. The 7mm SAUM is a popular choice in f-class shooting, and has been used to take home multiple championships in this discipline. 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